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HEP-isode 34 | Trackzilla, John Deere Electric Drive, and Ferengi Ear Rubs
Ever wonder whether your minivan could gap the classic Bandit TA in the quarter? On today's exciting HEP-isode we run the numbers, talk through the awesome power of the 675 hp Trackzilla telehandler, ride around in the new electric 580 EV backhoe from CNH, and do whatever we can to avoid another round of Ferengi ear rubbing.
Welcome back to another episode of the Heavy Equipment Podcast. I'm your host, joe Borris, here, as ever, with Mike not Mike Schweitzer and I just got back from a really neat presentation by Ford to the Municipal Fleet Management Association. It was a really neat group of guys and it was all these guys that manage the fleets for, like, the villages and the parks departments and all that Guys from Florida, from Michigan, from all over. So it was a really neat group, guys that manage the fleets for, like, the villages and the parks departments and all that guys from florida, from michigan, from, uh, you know, from all over. So it's really neat group. And I gotta tell you, man, some of these ford products that are coming out next year I can't obviously talk about all of them, but some of the stuff that I saw was really neat. They were talking about a new electric interceptor and they're talking about zero to 60 in three seconds. So I mean we're a long way from the old 5.0 Fox Body, florida.
Speaker 2:FHP. Hey, if Roscoe had that, he'd have caught them, duke boys, a long time ago.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. The Smokey and the Bandit would have been a four-minute movie.
Speaker 2:Oh Jesus, they'd have been back done riding away in the Cadillac. What did that? To charge the car, yeah, what did that charge?
Speaker 1:the car. Yeah, what did that five oh Firebird have 150 horse. I mean, I'm not exaggerating, I don't think it had much more than that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause what it's a. It's a six, six liter, or is it six, six Was it a Trans. Am yeah Trans Am I bet you that thing had like 380 horsepower no, 180 horsepower no.
Speaker 1:We can look it up. I'm looking at it right now the um that 1977 Trans Am TA. Yeah, exactly, he'd 77 Trans Am 180 horsepower. What Yep?
Speaker 1:6.6 liter, 180 horsepower, let's hit a whole, a hell of a lot of torque, 320 pounds. This is the thing and I really want I'm glad we're talking about this even though we are already off script the 1970s I muted this. This is me. That's fine. I own this the 1977 pontiac trans am that burt reynolds drove and smoky the bandit. 6.6 liter, 403 cubic inch american muscle, 185 horsepower at600 RPM, 320 pound feet of torque at 2,200. We have it so good right now and we're not talking about electric, right, we started this talking about electric but anything. You go buy a Honda minivan right now and it's got 100 more horsepower than anything the bandit ran. So that is just absolutely bananas.
Speaker 2:Well, think about that. You know you guys get all pissed because you're like, oh, I'm driving a minivan. You know we get kids and all that stuff. Every time your wife gets in the minivan, she needs to ask you this very simple question Does this thing move? You can look at her and go, oh yeah, and then you take off.
Speaker 1:I got. I got more depressing news for you. I looked up magnum pi's ferrari 308 gti gts. Oh yeah, 240 horsepower, yeah, but what did it weigh? What did those? What did those weigh? You're just desperate to get the get performance numbers out of this thing. I'll tell you what. They doesn't matter what they weighed. It was a lot less than trackzilla oh, geez, gee.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, what is the curb weight of trackzilla?
Speaker 1:I couldn't even tell you, but I mean, it's got what doesn't matter, it's got four tracks it's got four tracks.
Speaker 1:It's got a lift capacity of 50 000 pounds. This is something that popped up on our radar last week we didn't get to just talk about. It's a 675 horsepower tracked telehandler from Xtreme. They call it Traxzilla. They've been taking it out to a whole bunch of trade shows. They had it at Con Expo last year World of Concrete, stuff like that and this thing is crazy and the reason we're talking about it is you actually got a chance to give this thing a spin, didn't you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I drove one around around. I used it in a lot we. We moved it around. I mean it is unlike anything that if you've been in a telehandler it's unlike any telehandler you ever weigh. Weighs 150 000 pounds. It'll lift 100 feet. It'll reach out 55 feet. You can pick up 50 000 pounds with it. It holds 300 gallons of fuel because let me tell you you need it.
Speaker 2:The ground clearance on it's almost two feet, but the turning radius on it's 23 feet and when you turn this thing around there's a whole song. Give me 40 acres, you need it. This thing is massive.
Speaker 3:He was heading into Boston in a big, long diesel truck. It was his first trip to Boston. He was having lots of luck. He was going the wrong direction down a one-way street in town and this is what he said when the police chased him down.
Speaker 4:Give me 40 acres and I'll turn this rig around.
Speaker 3:It's the easiest way that I've found. Some guys can turn it on a dime or turn it right downtown, but I need 40 acres to turn this rig around.
Speaker 2:But if you're building a building, you're putting together some structural steel, you're going to place some kind of decking, or if you've got a container claw and you're going to place some kind of decking, or if you've got a container claw and you're going to put that on top of this thing and you've got to move containers through a rough area, rough terrain that's not paved. This is it, this is what you've got to have. Yeah, this will move it, it's nice, all right.
Speaker 1:So you're talking about this thing and you're mentioning that it's got, you know, 23 foot turn radius. For something that big, that sounds pretty tight.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think you could use that bad it's not bad, but you're the boom hanging out in front of it too oh my god I didn't think of everything else. You have all. I mean the boom, the boom's telescopic, so it sucks itself in, but but you have that hanging out there and then you got to turn around, plus whatever you have hanging off of it. So you need some distance. But like I said, thought of that structural work and you and you need to move something with the independent four track capability.
Speaker 1:It moves over weird terrain incredibly smooth yeah it's like having, it's like having like a, an off-road, fully articulated off-road suspension, like those guys down that run at moab have, and they're like spiders absolutely yeah, we actually.
Speaker 2:They need to take that trackzilla design and put that on our articulating haul truck. Volvo, if you're listening, we need this six independent tracks on some apparatus that will dump material.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know, anyways the swedes are just exactly people that would do that. I mean, I'll say this volvo takes a lot of heat out there by the non-believers for being like a very conservative company that talks about safety, that talks about environmentalism and being progressive and things like that, and a lot of people think that they've, you know, because of that, they got no stones. These are the people who put a station wagon in a touring car race. These guys are nuts, I mean, and one absolutely did very well.
Speaker 1:Well, they won several races for sure yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:I mean they could look at that and be like, well, we may need to move 40 tons up into the mountains covered in snow. Yeah, let's build it that's it, that's what we like about them.
Speaker 1:That's what we like about them. That's exactly what we like about them. That's exactly what they're going to do. They're going to say hmm, we could use this as a ski resort. Go get skiers that are trapped underneath an avalanche. Fantastic, Build seven of them.
Speaker 2:Build a Volvo snowmaking machine, haul the snow into the ski resort, cover the ski resort in snow and then use it to retrieve everybody.
Speaker 1:I think we're good with that. Blast the skiers. Go rescue the people you buried. I love it exactly exactly they're either gonna. They're either gonna hear this and go. We should sponsor that or we should send them a cease and desist. Keep my name out of your mouth we, um, let me tell you.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you this there are lawyers right now going. Don't listen to anything that they're saying. I don't care how cool it is, don't do it don't do it this.
Speaker 1:I love biff henderson so much, man, biff henderson which is not his real name, obviously, because he's ukrainian. Using his real name, he goes uh, I feel like that would be a career harming decision.
Speaker 2:We talked about this, we did Career harming. What's career harming? Not doing it? My friend Career?
Speaker 1:harming is not doing it. Speaking of people that are not doing it, komatsu has achieved a major autonomous milestone by moving their 10 billionth ton of earth out of a mine using one of their 75 fully autonomous haul trucks. And I got to tell you, man, we've gone a long way since this show started, because I remember one of the early episodes we were talking about Komatsu putting its very first 230 ton electric haul truck autonomous and putting that out there and making it like at one of these Fortescue mines and making it a big press release, a big deal about it. And now they've moved 10 billion tons and at some point you got to say, okay, we've proven this out.
Speaker 2:No, I think that's what they're doing, right. I mean, they're literally like 10 billion tons. We've got to figure it out at this stage. This is the thing we talk about all the time. It's always an evolution at this stage. This is the thing we talk about all the time. It's always an evolution, it's always a constant. It's always going to be improved. You can't judge it on day one, right? Look where we're at 10 billion tons of autonomous haulage.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. You know, I was again talking about this with these fleet guys at that meeting I was at this morning and one of the guys said something like you know, I just can't trust these EVs, even the hybrids, because they're still so new. And I dropped the bomb on him. I said well, you know why are you saying that Toyota put the Prius into the market in 1997? That was 26 years ago, 27 years ago. Yeah, no one, it wasn't going to work then. It wasn't going to work then and it's been you know 20, some of those old first gen Priuses and Honda Insights and stuff. Some of those guys are still out there, not many. Some of them put new batteries in, but those guys are still out there.
Speaker 1:And you know this Komatsu they call it front runner autonomous hauling system, front runner AHS. The first time they ever put vehicle was a diesel. Vehicle is a pc 7000 excavator was in 2008. So they've been doing this for 17 years now with prototypes and with concepts and putting them in there. So now that these, these 930e autonomous are out there moving this stuff and moving just massive amounts of materials, it's a proven technology. So if you're looking at this, you're a fleet operator, you're a mine operator and you're trying to find operators. Guys are a fleet operator. You're a mine operator and you're trying to find operators. Guys are aging out of it or retiring or moving on to other roles faster than you can replace them. Komatsu's got a solution for you.
Speaker 2:You know, komatsu does a very good job finding solutions for everything. One of the season one we talked about. I mean they invented the underwater dozer, completely underwater, completely sealed. They had it for a project that was specifically built. They'll build whatever you need, volvo. Here's the thing. There are few companies out there anymore that will build what you need. Yeah, I mean we talk about Mack trucks. Mack trucks will build what you want. They have a whole up-fit center right there. Some of the other brands will do it, but it's painful. Mack, they have a whole up-fit center right there. Some of the other brands will do it, but it's painful. Mac Mac does it. You got Volvo, you got Komatsu. They build stuff One-off, specific fleet-type ranges of things. Really, it's because they care about the industry that they service. I'm not saying Caterpillar and John Deere do not, because I mean obviously they have their own stuff too. I mean, hell, john Deere's, what's that? Tell you?
Speaker 2:you'll be a billion people I mean all kinds of people are going to look at you and go.
Speaker 1:That thing will never work well, there's two different things to talk about, so case is different. So john deere has an electric drive line of tractors that they're rolling out right now. That's really interesting and I think that that is something we should talk about too, because they're rolling out a diesel generator on board the machine and the diesel engine runs and powers a capacitor right or a capacitor and a small battery and that sends the power to the drive motors and to the articulating servos and things like that, because not necessarily hydraulic, some of that's going to be electric servo and that I think, is really interesting because you have the efficiency and the torque of the electrification. You can plug it into grid power where that makes sense and then when you're off grid power, it's got an onboard diesel generator. So it's almost like having a plug in hybrid. I mean, back to the Prius, it's almost like turning your John Deere tractor into a Prius where it's all this diesel stuff that we understand. But we're getting rid of all of these weird linkages. We're getting rid of the transmission, all that stuff that adds maintenance and wear and tear, and we're just sticking with this bulletproof diesel motor that we know is going to run and work. We're going to put this electric drive motors in there that are impervious to maintenance costs no moving parts, infinite wear on these things, or at least longer than the diesel engine and they're getting a lot of those benefits in terms of efficiency, total cost of ownership and things like that that you get out of a pure EV.
Speaker 1:And then Case, now they have a fully electric version of their 580 EV, which is the 580SN, which is their wheeled backhoe, and I think both of those are really interesting because Case and John Deere are both industry leaders. They both are real innovative companies. They pride themselves on that. But to see John Deere come up with such a different solution from everybody else, instead of putting a massive, expensive battery in this thing, they're putting something that's smaller, something a little more familiar. I think that that's something that's really going to give them an edge. And when someone comes up to them and they're saying, ah, I don't know about electric, I don't know if this is something I want to do, deere can look at them and say, hey, no problem, this still runs on diesel, it just uses electric motors, right, and I'm going to tell you right now if I was selling that, if I was selling that deer technology.
Speaker 2:And you're going to go on, you meet people and one of the big things whenever you're trying to sell anything, if you're a true salesman, not just a hustler, an order taker yeah, or an order taker You're an educator at the same time yes, and you got to look at the customer and go listen, this is like a locomotive. Yes, you have an engine. You're running a generator. Generator this is like a locomotive. Yes, you have an engine, you're running a generator. The generator runs the motor. This thing's got more instant power than you could ever harness mechanically. And you've got to educate them on what that means. Yeah, I don't have a transmission under the floor and I don't have this and I don't have the hydraulic pump. That's integrated into that and all I've got now is this diesel and this big electric motor thing underneath here, yeah, we into that, and all I've got now is this diesel and this big electric motor thing underneath here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've had that technology since the 50s actually 40s but and that's where you say you don't need all that crap. Look how streamlined this is. And then you're going to get well, how do I run it in the water? What if I pressure wash? Pressure wash trains to clean them? They're doing the same thing. Don't worry about it, use it yeah.
Speaker 1:And you can't point to anything more, literally. You can't point to anything more proven and more reliable than a train that with a locomotive on it, that's got millions of miles under its belt and say, look, if there was a different way to do this, norfolk Southern would have figured it out, but they're still running this way because it's the most efficient way. Union Pacific, yes.
Speaker 2:Canadian Rail are some of the biggest players on moving freight on rail. They have tried everything Turbine. They went from steam, they went to turbine. They've tried turbine. They've tried fuel oil, they have tried heavy oil, they have tried bio oil. They have tried everything. And where are we at? We burn diesel fuel, we power a generator. We use an efficient engine to transmit that power into the generator. The generator is instant power as it's turning, it's creating it, it's ready to be used. Their problem is is how do they apply it? And that's always been the problem with locomotive. So with the backhoe scenario and any other electric drive stuff that's going to be coming out, it's only a matter of time. This is, and again, laterno, terex, the BE. These people have used diesel or some kind of power for electric or straight electric off the grid drive for decades, decades, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's interesting too, right, because now you're getting into this era. You know we talk about that cat 15 liter motor a lot because it is kind of fuel agnostic. Now Volvo Penta has got their own fuel agnostic motor. You can plug this thing in effectively as a gen set into a John Deere tractor, into any of these heavy equipment options that are going to be running electric drive with an onboard power unit like this, and it don't care what you put in no, and hydrogen, you could put, natural gas, you could put whatever it is that the elected officials in your region are pushing for their political gain that weekend, if it happens to be, you know, t-boon pickings money and they're trying to get that natural gas money.
Speaker 1:They can do that. They're trying to get that methane money out of. You know montana or all the states that are doing the dairy farm like that, they can do that. They're trying to get that methane money out of Montana or all the states that are doing the dairy farm like that. They can do that too, and they can run it on this engine effectively and efficiently. Okay.
Speaker 2:You bring up a good point Depending on the political climate always dictates what the next fad is going to be. Yes, no one can say that that is wrong. Secondly, it also dictates what the fad is going to be yes, no one can say that that is wrong. Secondly, it also dictates what the fat is going to be and what financial gain is there through rebates, all kinds of tax incentives, just pure price incentives, because the corporations are getting incentives.
Speaker 2:So when we have them on and people go back and look season one they were on the show they talk about the engines, they talk about what they're doing. Their mission statement. Their mission statement's this we will build something that will work with whatever that's it. You need power. We have it. Put this in something, power with it, and we're here to help you with that. And that's what they do. It's not just about being electric or not. This is about being very open and very diverse, to being able to generate power, to turn something which, either through mechanical means, hydraulic means or electric means, propels, whatever the hell it is you want, going forward.
Speaker 1:That's it. Daimler did a really good job of this and I was kind of against it when I first heard it. But their comment was we're doing all of the above right, we're doing hydrogen, we're doing more efficient diesel, we're doing natural gas and we're doing electric, and we're doing all of that with a single powertrain. And at the time I didn't get it. I didn't understand what they were talking about. Obviously, the cat motor was still in development.
Speaker 1:I'm sure Navistar is coming up with something similar. This seems to be the way that it's going to be, oh, I'm sure Is to have a single bottom end right, that by changing out the head or changing out the software and the injectors, you can run it on multiple different fuels. And I think that that is something, from an investment point of view, that's really really smart for companies like Caterpillar, like Navistar, things like that, to invest into, because if you're trying to build a new bottom end for every type of combustion possible, it's going to get real pricey and you're going to price yourself out of the market. You need to have something that companies can still afford to buy, because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how cool your technology is or how badass it is If your customers can't afford to buy, because, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how cool your technology is or how badass it is if your customers can't afford to buy it.
Speaker 2:They're not gonna, no matter how much they want to buy it. You completely. Yeah, I was just gonna say that you can have all this stuff, but part of it being universal is to make it somewhat affordable. You know what happens. Otherwise, you're dealing with the ferengis and you're trying to get dilithium crystals. Let me tell you something you don't want to be dealing with those guys unless you want to do a whole afternoon of ear rubbing to get something out of them.
Speaker 4:Nurse Garland, I'm having trouble with my ear again. Could you massage it some more? Are you sure you don't want a doctor to look at that? No, I feel more comfortable with you Much better.
Speaker 2:You know. This is what we need globally. This is not a US Canadian, the maple syrup burners up there trying to figure out another way around it. This is a global solution and one of the things and, yes, we are going to get, you know, chastised for this, like we do most things Globally we need global solutions and all the big players Caterpillar, Volvo, Komatsu, John Deere, Power all of them understand and they have for decades. Again, this is not a new subject. They understand global sustainability, their biggest managing problem, and if you ever talk to anybody high enough up in a product segment or in a director role of an entire group, they always talk about the same woes Global market issues. Because you have the same problem.
Speaker 2:The USs only likes certain things. China, which is a massive buyer of equipment, only likes certain things, and they're in there trying to manage and massage who likes what and how can we use the same jello mold on every dinner table? That's what they're trying to get to people like jelloell-O. They like it. How do we use the same mold everywhere? So every Thanksgiving table's got the same stuff on it?
Speaker 4:That's what we're trying to do. Jell-o pudding pops, frozen pudding on a stick. You want one? Well, I know that little kids love pudding pops because they taste fantabulous, and mothers love it because they know it's made with the goodness of real jello pudding. But I don't know about a kitty cat, okay why not?
Speaker 2:we got the franke's and we got the, we got cosby all on the same show dell. How?
Speaker 1:wild, is it? So? This is, this is a serious question. When I was a kid, right, and I figured I was like in junior high high school, married children had come on, you know that everybody was in an uproar right, like this is horrible, this is anti-family. You know, all the Republicans were losing their mind, and it was back then. It wasn't even the Republicans, it was Tipper Gore losing her mind. Box knew what they were doing. Box knew what they were doing. Of course they did, but now think about that, that, like back then we're Al Bundy was like everything that was wrong with America. Roseanne Barr, whatever was everything that was wrong with America. American families, right, and the examples that were held up were like whatever that show was touched by an angel or that BS. And then you know the party of five people and then the, the Cosby show, and those guys turned out to be monsters, I mean like actual monsters that could be in prison and taken out of society, you know. And then this other guy turned out to be like the super wholesome guy.
Speaker 2:You know what people hate? People hate the thing, the thing, yes, I hate the thing. Yes, no, but seriously, the thing that people hate is they hate anything that is a reflection upon current day lives. Yeah, roseanne, in its day and when people go back and they will watch that show. That show is critically acclaimed today because it talked about real issues with real looking people. People that they were like ah, final notice, service removal. And she laughs and tears that envelope up and throws it off and goes amateurs, that's a real thing.
Speaker 2:That is trying to juggle their bills and what's going to get turned off, and there were episodes where they the power, got turned off. Oh, we need to turn it back on. They had a little bit of money stashed in a coffee can above the refrigerator, but that's real life. Well, people don't want the cosby show, wasn't real life. People liked watching watching the cosby show because it got them away from what where reality really was. And people hated the simpsons when the simpsons came on, because the simpsons talked about a lot of social issues and that's why they brought it up and they hated. That show was boycotted.
Speaker 2:Mother's groups wanted to taken down immediately, I mean you think if we talk about another show that was completely farfetched and it wasn't like Al for anything that was supposed to be farfetched, mr Belvedere. I mean as much as we like Mr Belvedere and we like the idea of the Singlish Butler living in the house, how far do you have to be out of reality to to really watch that show and go? This is a model show no oh yeah, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 2:It was funny, it was tasteful, but it was so far all the realm of reality. The kids sat down and watched that and you know what, depending on where you grew up, mr belvedere was just one of those things you were like that's unobtainable tv.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and people got tired of watching unobtainable tv okay first of all, and when people got tired of watching unobtainable, that's when you had roseanne, the simpsons and all these things come out and even though simpsons were a cartoon, go back and watch those early episodes. Yeah yeah, directly hitting the FU button on social issues, government issues and all kinds of problems in this country.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they were doing it at a time when that really wasn't allowed. They were doing it at a time where it was like impolite I mean it really was. That was what people were saying was that it was impolite to talk about political issues and social issues and talk about money. That was something that just you didn't do.
Speaker 2:You didn't talk about money no, we were all supposed to grin and bear it and take it and, and you know what, people got tired of it, and that's a lot of what we talk about on this show in in various forms. People get tired of this crap. Yeah, they get tired of stuff being thrown at them, shoved on them and all that. Now, you could have an argument about that with electric, but what really slaps people in the face? And this is where all of this is coming to.
Speaker 2:In my rant, we're going to look back at this and we're going to go wow we were so screwed up looking at this coming at us like a freight train, because it's not about electric. We talked about this to death. It's not about electric, it is about change. Yes, change is the devil, change is what's evil, but change is what inevitably always happens. And if we don't change, we will be forced to change. And let me tell you, the force will change, will be worse and it always is than us trying to figure a way out. So when we're talking about diesel and diesel electric versus straight electric, you could pick your battles, but ultimately you're going to end up with the same thing. We're going to change. Things are going to evolve. They have to. It doesn't matter whether the government tells you or not. It's going to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's already happened, and the reality is that the US market is no longer big enough to chart its own course. China has overtaken us, europe as a whole, as the European Union, has gotten every bit as big as us. There are developing nations in Southeast Asia, in India, in Australia, in Africa, and all of them make up a truly global market, and that global market has decided that it's going electric and we're. The adoption rate in China is over 50% electric versus diesel or internal combustion or even hydrogen. So it's one of those things where it's going to happen and it's going to happen to us, and we can either ride the wave or we can. You know what is it? The Lee Iacocca said we can lead, follow or get out of the way, and getting out of the way is real, real painful.
Speaker 2:Yes, and getting getting out of the way is the easy way out. I mean that that's, that's the chicken's way out leading.
Speaker 1:I've gotten out of the way enough times and then realized, oh, son of a, I was supposed to be on that train and now you've got to run to get back on it.
Speaker 2:So that's that's my point Leading anything. Okay, what are you leading technology? You're leading a pack and a product segment, or or you're even, or you're just trying to lead in a support aspect, where you're trying to lead to have parts availability and in the correct parts availability and sustainable filter solutions, and all these things that they're trying to do is hard to lead. It's hard to stay out front with everybody nipping at your heels, hitting you with the baton from behind, trying to knock you down, like that is the thing. But getting out of the way, yeah, sure, let everybody else go forward and then we'll follow. We'll be there batting clean up and selling all of a decade ago's technology.
Speaker 2:There are companies out there that do that, but anybody with a fleet that is hedging on new technology growth and trying to be out there in the forefront and stay ahead of safety and put themselves first and put their people first this is where you're at. You have to be out there leading the pack along with the OEMs, because it's a partnership. It's supposed to be and it has to be. If it's going to work, you have to have the dealership groups, the OEMs and the customers all working together the minute any one of those three in that tripod. Quit, the thing falls over the minute.
Speaker 1:Any one of those three in that tripod. Quit, the thing falls over. That's it. Well, we should play the Zelda theme for the Triforce of Power now.
Speaker 2:No, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 4:You really liked the.
Speaker 2:Ferengi thing, didn't you that?
Speaker 1:came out of thin air. I thought of that in a moment. You got to deal with the Ferengi. You got to get a lot of ear rubbing to get anything out of that. I was dying, I was dying. Well, I think we've peaked for today, so let's close with a special message from Jason Sanborn.
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